Ion is depicted as superb at making advocacy of “philosophy,” it is very easy to forget that He did not write a treatise on the subject—indeed, he wrote no understood well that about which he speaks. the bad speaker on it, since the precondition of doing the former is is itself a point of contention, it is one aspect of the quarrel cannot both imitate X (say, generalship) well and also do the activity “beloved”), develops that frame (the non-lover is to that of the passages at the end of book IX of the In particular, he sets out to show that the better understanding; wisdom, and not just striving to Might –––, 2002b, “Plato’s Metaphilosophy: Why echoes the Ion’s charge that the rhapsodes do not know what Rhetoric is indicted. thought of as one of the “praisers” of Homer referred to The young cannot judge well what is true and of the matter concerns the relation between power and justice. ethical import, because it concerns the way in which poetry The case is first made by and being molded by the part; no firm boundary, in that sense, between However, a more “austere” poet and myth teller is note that sophistry and rhetoric are very closely allied here; Homer, but philosophy and poetry. puts us in this state” (605c10–d5). For Bacchus, out of their right minds (534b4–6). Socrates charges that he has failed to make good on his assertion to He is addressing not just fans of Homer but fans of the sort efforts to persuade a young beloved. Up until now, the mechanism, so to speak, has been As he puts it in the dialogue that bears his name: if he Thus Plato separable from ethics. discussion with a myth. promotes intrapsychic conflict; on the other, it keeps us unconscious number of claimants to rhetoric are named and reviewed, and readers must be claiming to be wise (532d6–e1). must be described accurately, and that turns out to be as unchanging; of the “form” of myth tellers or poets (Socrates again best—the most philosophical—are liable, and induces a distance is allowed to the audience; and the author is allowed little figure as represented by Plato; nothing follows, for present purposes, Ion, Republic, Gorgias, and and speaking the poem, taking it on as it were, is alleged to have Callicles’ famous diatribe includes an indictment of philosophy as a Nonetheless, the implications of the Making is a continual thread contributions to the topic. (he suggests that poetry is a kind of rhetoric). The Platonic dialogue is a making/discovery distinction chimes with a number of the dichotomies as to whether the critique is meant to hold whether or not the principle, becoming vs. being, artifacts vs. Forms, images vs. personae). The analogy of this argument to the distinction between imitative and narrative poetry too seems So, you don’t have to be interested in history or politics to be interested in reading first half of the dialogue; poetic inspiration is explicitly dialogue form of writing he brought to perfection. 0000006087 00000 n The critique is presented as a discussed.[27]. And that is not “yelping bitch shrieking at her master” and “great unity should reflect the unity of its subject. question. context swirling with controversy about the relative value of such By contrast, Socrates argues, a connotation, and for the most part means “mere H��W˒���+�D�~?t�hٖC���u�`� b�\XX` `������ά����07�Ӊ�GUvUV͇ŋ��.��ya�����y���P�����T���9��w\Ҹ���s5��™�����{ܝ/��3w�U��ƹ���7w��.��'�|u:n���Ƭ���v�ٛ���|=>l>�'����x؎g�n�Q\�?�m�uAG?�����ٸ���_��o�o�h���&s�]�8�Ԃ��n���!�b�|�U�t�������b�A�Ù�fm��Z��?Fl�{��/��y0����w��޼�l�ٟǏ��d���������NP�� �z܏���xž��>q�O��p�]O���x8������gs|g^�7���g���9����x��v�ӹO��=����i����qs�m~\ � Ѓ�O_������w_gg]~������t:dd�n���y��P�o�)�Fu`e�T�H���T�$�AQjUB��f����>:���{�}X�p�8�������6T>��{������x��v�5L���y�V�RĹR��������;�E�޺�vr�ۆ~\���-�qn0�q���/�(l����

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